Social movements can become politically effective only as far as they propose and work for the promotion of feasible alternatives to neoliberal globalisation. Samir Amin describes democracy as an endless process of struggle where social movements continuously embody the demands and desires of the people.
An interview to Fabio Petito for Re-Public
The interview was conducted with the generous help of the Fondazione Mediterraneo,
From birth to maturity
Fabio Petito: Would you briefly comment on the birth and history of the new social movements?
Samir Amin: I have participated in the building of the new movements from the very beginning. Social movements of course have always existed in history. The new social movements have emerged in the 1990s as a defensive reaction to the attack of neoliberalism against the rights of peoples, particularly the attack on the welfare state in the West and on state protection in the South, etc. Itís a normal thing that the movements have first appeared on a defensive line. Then, they have gradually realized that since this challenge was global they also had to organize on a global scale. In 1997 we created the World Forum for Alternatives which was composed of organizations from Asia, Africa, Latin America, and
The movements have progressed since then. There is a growing number of organizations that aim to bring forward proposals for positive alternatives. I call this process Ėand I am not alone- building convergency within diversity. This does not amount to a single party system or a single ideology system. It is a complex, heterogeneous process that can facilitate the promotion of feasible alternatives to neoliberal globalization.
F.P.: Can social movements become actors that bring about real change in global politics?
S.A: I think they have become already, although they are still very weak and in their first stage of development. Social movements will become significant only when they articulate and work in the pursuit of real alternatives to neoliberal globalisation. I am referring to alternatives in the plural; concrete conditions are very different from one country to another or from one region to another and accordingly social struggles need to be sensitive and respond to these divergences.
Nation, State, and Party
F.P.: Do you think that the nation-state level is still the primary arena of world politics?
S.A: Yes. In
F.P.: Do you imply that traditional party politics continue to be the main game in town?
S.A: We cannot avoid politics and therefore political parties. This doesnít mean that traditional political parties are effectively responding to the challenges of contemporary social transformations.
For instance, anti-capitalist parties emerged at the end of the nineteenth century as a specific form of political organization of the working class: the one party supposedly represented the one vanguard class, whether this was a social democrat, a socialist or a communist party. These parties were also organized around a series of patterns of action: the strike, the protest, the election, even the revolution or the war of liberation.
Social conditions are no longer the same. Capitalism has changed and therefore the organization of labour has changed. We ought to invent different forms of organization for social and political movements. I donít distinguish between social and political movements: I categorize under the term social movements all those that reject the current organization of society and which struggle for change.
The Heterogeneity of the World Social Forum
F.P.: Still, the differences amongst social movements are enormous. What do they have in common apart from recognizing neoliberal globalisation as their enemy?
S.A: At the present stage you are right. The movements, which participate in the World Social Forum display, for instance, a large diversity. There are also asymmetries in importance: mass popular movements assemble together with think-tanks, and small or larger groups that are formed around specific issues. Most of the feminist movements, for example, do not find it useful to connect womenís struggles with a global vision of the transformation of society.
This doesnít mean that there can not be a significant common ground for most of them, certainly not all. This was what we tried to do with the Appeal of Bamako. In
F.P.: What are the advantages of the current polycentric structure of the World Social Forum?
S.A: I wish that the structure would be even more polycentric with five, six, ten big regional or even national forums. In this respect, we could mobilize more forces. Second, there could be more common ground for discussion. Third, it would facilitate coordination among the movements.
F.P.: Isnít the World Social Forum dominated, however, by Western social movements?
However, if you look at the participation in the debates within the WSF then you see the importance of non-Western mass popular movements. I will give you an example. In relation to peasant struggles, Via Campensina who has managed to bring together the most active peasant organisations, basically in
Democracy: Crisis and resolutions
F.P.: Are social movements fundamental for the attainment of global democracy?
In the past, social progress has been achieved without democracy, whether, in the ex-communist countries or in the national-populist states, i.e Peronís
F.P.: Yes, we witness a widespread concern that democracy is crisis on a global scale.
This is where social movements have a role to play. You can call it participatory democracy if you wish. The point is to move beyond the notion and practice of representative democracy, to conceive democracy as an endless process where the movements continuously embody the demands and desires of the people.
F.P.: How do you assess the recent student protests in
S.A: Precarity always existed in the capitalist system. Thirty years ago precarity represented about 15% of the wage earners, it was the condition of relatively young women, of migrant labour, and characterised mainly in rural areas. In contrast, precarity refers today to almost 50% of wage earners. This is an immense, negative change; it signals social regression. It is also important to note that precarity has advanced without too much noise.
The protests in
Challenges of the European Left
F.P.: What are the challenges that the European left needs to face in order to build a mass movement from below?
The Left is gradually recognizing this. The movements against precarity in
F.P.: Is the center-left option proposed in